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+Hello,
+
+Still working on the reprepro property :)
+
+Here A property that I am using to publish a repository via apache (this is a prototype)
+
+ website :: String -> Property
+ website hn = toProp $ Apache.siteEnabled hn apachecfg
+ where
+ apachecfg = [ "<VirtualHost *>"
+ , "DocumentRoot " ++ basePath
+ , "<Directory " ++ basePath ++ ">"
+ , " Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Multiviews"
+ , " Order allow,deny"
+ , Apache.allowAll
+ , "</Directory>"
+ ] ++ concatMap deny ["db", "conf", "incoming"]
+ ++ ["</VirtualHost>"]
+
+ deny dir = [ "<Directory \"" ++ basePath ++ "apt/*/" ++ dir ++ "\">"
+ , " Order deny,allow"
+ , " Deny from all"
+ , "</Directory>"
+ ]
+
+during my test I am runing the config.hs with
+runhaskell config.hs (it work the first time, the apache config files are ok)
+
+but when I do a modification on the apachecfg and rerun the runhaskell,
+the config files are not updated. I need to remove them to have an updated version.
+
+cheers
+
+Fred
diff --git a/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_1_932ba6f4e444c99d8d561149d17c8fe7._comment b/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_1_932ba6f4e444c99d8d561149d17c8fe7._comment
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="picca"
+ subject="first run"
+ date="2014-12-08T09:31:46Z"
+ content="""
+root@mordor:~/propellor/src# PROPELLOR_DEBUG=1 runhaskell config.hs
+[2014-12-08 10:27:10 CET] read: hostname [\"-f\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:10 CET] command line: Run \"mordor\"
+[2014-12-08 10:27:10 CET] read: git [\"remote\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:10 CET] read: git [\"symbolic-ref\",\"--short\",\"HEAD\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:10 CET] call: git [\"fetch\"]
+Pull from central git repository ... done
+[2014-12-08 10:27:12 CET] read: git [\"show-ref\",\"--hash\",\"master\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:12 CET] read: git [\"show-ref\",\"--hash\",\"master\"]
+mordor has Operating System (Debian Unstable) \"i386\" ... ok
+[2014-12-08 10:27:12 CET] read: apt-cache [\"policy\",\"etckeeper\"]
+mordor apt installed etckeeper ... ok
+[2014-12-08 10:27:13 CET] read: apt-cache [\"policy\",\"ssh\"]
+mordor apt installed ssh ... ok
+[2014-12-08 10:27:13 CET] read: passwd [\"-S\",\"root\"]
+mordor root has password ... ok
+[2014-12-08 10:27:13 CET] call: a2query [\"-q\",\"-s\",\"reprepro\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:14 CET] read: apt-cache [\"policy\",\"apache2\"]
+[2014-12-08 10:27:14 CET] call: a2ensite [\"--quiet\",\"reprepro\"]
+Enabling site reprepro.
+[2014-12-08 10:27:15 CET] call: sh [\"-c\",\"set -e ; service 'apache2' reload >/dev/null 2>&1 || true\"]
+mordor create reprepro ... done
+mordor overall ... done
+
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_2_5323336b92d9aef5a9021b924029f3af._comment b/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_2_5323336b92d9aef5a9021b924029f3af._comment
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="picca"
+ subject="second run with content modified"
+ date="2014-12-08T09:37:43Z"
+ content="""
+Second run after adding a space here
+
+ - , \" Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Multiviews\"
+ + , \" Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Multiviews\"
+
+
+ root@mordor:~/propellor/src# PROPELLOR_DEBUG=1 runhaskell config.hs
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:19 CET] read: hostname [\"-f\"]
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:19 CET] command line: Run \"mordor\"
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:19 CET] read: git [\"remote\"]
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:19 CET] read: git [\"symbolic-ref\",\"--short\",\"HEAD\"]
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:19 CET] call: git [\"fetch\"]
+ remote: Counting objects: 32, done.
+ remote: Compressing objects: 100% (6/6), done.
+ remote: Total 6 (delta 3), reused 0 (delta 0)
+ Dépaquetage des objets: 100% (6/6), fait.
+ Depuis git://git.kitenet.net/propellor
+ c5a8cae..9ac0dfb master -> origin/master
+ Pull from central git repository ... done
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:20 CET] read: git [\"show-ref\",\"--hash\",\"master\"]
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:20 CET] read: git [\"show-ref\",\"--hash\",\"master\"]
+ mordor has Operating System (Debian Unstable) \"i386\" ... ok
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:20 CET] read: apt-cache [\"policy\",\"etckeeper\"]
+ mordor apt installed etckeeper ... ok
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:21 CET] read: apt-cache [\"policy\",\"ssh\"]
+ mordor apt installed ssh ... ok
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:21 CET] read: passwd [\"-S\",\"root\"]
+ mordor root has password ... ok
+ [2014-12-08 10:34:21 CET] call: a2query [\"-q\",\"-s\",\"reprepro\"]
+ mordor create reprepro ... ok
+ mordor overall ... ok
+
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_3_531c2c5e78fb5c62e54d84231b129dc8._comment b/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_3_531c2c5e78fb5c62e54d84231b129dc8._comment
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="picca"
+ subject="comment 3"
+ date="2014-12-08T10:47:59Z"
+ content="""
+I forgot to say that the content of
+
+/etc/apache2/site-xxx/reprepro[.conf]
+
+is unmodifed after this second run
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_4_54281604c588a7229f9d987e8cdee802._comment b/doc/forum/Apache.siteEnabled_doesn_not_update_the_apache_config_file/comment_4_54281604c588a7229f9d987e8cdee802._comment
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 4"""
+ date="2014-12-09T04:35:12Z"
+ content="""
+Pretty obvious why if you look at the code:
+
+ enable = check (not <$> isenabled) $
+ cmdProperty "a2ensite" ["--quiet", hn]
+ `describe` ("apache site enabled " ++ hn)
+ `requires` siteAvailable hn cf
+
+So that property was skipped entirely if the site was already enabled and never looked at the config file.
+
+I've put in a fix.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/Propellor_without_superuser_privileges.mdwn b/doc/forum/Propellor_without_superuser_privileges.mdwn
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+Joey uses propellor to popular his /home/joey on hosts he controls. I'd like to use it to populate my home directory on hosts where I don't have root. If someone gives me a shell account on a Debian box, it would be great to just run `propellor --spin` to have apply properties such as having certain stuff downloaded and compiled in `~/local/bin`, putting cronjobs in place, and checking stuff out with `myrepos`.
+
+Does propellor assume root access at a deep enough level that writing properties to do this stuff would be impractical?
diff --git a/doc/forum/Propellor_without_superuser_privileges/comment_1_021ecbb1b8bd7e26776b49ec75e90d0c._comment b/doc/forum/Propellor_without_superuser_privileges/comment_1_021ecbb1b8bd7e26776b49ec75e90d0c._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,26 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-12-26T19:26:00Z"
+ content="""
+I think that the root assumptions are in basically 3 places:
+
+* Many Properties assume they're run as root, and will fail if they're not.
+ Probably not a problem in practice for most of them. It might be nice
+ to make a few, such as `User.hasSomePassword` work when run as a normal
+ user.
+
+* Propellor's self-deployment involves running apt-get to instal ghc,
+ etc. This could be modified to check if it's not root and do a local
+ user of ghc if necessary.
+
+* `localdir = "/usr/local" and this is used in various places by eg,
+ `--spin`. It is, however, entirely possible to run "./propellor" in
+ some other directory, which causes it to run in that directory
+ and ensure the properties of localhost. `--spin` could certianly be
+ taught to run in a user mode where it uses "~/.propellor/" instead of
+ `localdir`.
+
+I think that's all! I don't plan to try to add this feature myself, but
+will be happy to support anyone who wants to work on it.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/Supported_OS.mdwn b/doc/forum/Supported_OS.mdwn
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+What are the requirements for the configured OS ? Does it need to be Debian ?
+
+Would Propellor work for Arch linux, RHEL, Windows, AIX or linux on pSeries) ?
+
+Cheers
diff --git a/doc/forum/Supported_OS/comment_1_f324bed708305e2667bd00f80544dd90._comment b/doc/forum/Supported_OS/comment_1_f324bed708305e2667bd00f80544dd90._comment
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-12-07T15:58:03Z"
+ content="""
+I have heard of propellor being used on OSX. Probably that user wrote their
+own code for OSX specific stuff.
+
+Propellor properites can be parameterized by OS. Currently it has support
+for Debian and some untested support for Ubuntu. A property can be parameterized
+like this:
+
+ foo :: Property
+ foo = property "foo" withOS desc $ \o -> case o of
+ (Just (System (Debian _) _)) -> ensureProperty fooDebian
+ (Just (System (Ubuntu _) _)) -> ensureProperty fooUbuntu
+
+The first step for adding a new OS will be to modify <http://hackage.haskell.org/package/propellor-1.0.0/docs/Propellor-Types-OS.html>.
+Compilation will then warn about all OS parameterized properties that
+need to be updated to support your added OS, and it can be taken from there.
+
+I'll accept reasonable patches to support other OS's.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac.mdwn b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac.mdwn
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+Hello,
+
+I am trying propellor on Debian Jessie (haskell is fantastic for this sort or things) to setup one of my computer.
+
+On my network, the system administrator set proxies for http and https.
+These information are available via a http://proxy/proxy.pac URL.
+
+So I would like to know what should be done to extract this information and set it for all users on the system ?
+
+Cheers
+
+Frederic
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_1_69d7c8fb1d62300456575bb10e935d69._comment b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_1_69d7c8fb1d62300456575bb10e935d69._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-11-25T15:44:13Z"
+ content="""
+You could, for example, use Propellor.Propety.Cmd.cmdProperty
+to run a command that sets up the proxying. If there's not a single command
+that does it, you could cause propellor to fetch the url and deploy the
+info itself.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_2_da30b2621493e48ceabcfa5732dbcdf8._comment b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_2_da30b2621493e48ceabcfa5732dbcdf8._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,19 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="picca"
+ subject="comment 2"
+ date="2014-11-25T17:55:25Z"
+ content="""
+In my case I need to wget the proxy.pac file and parse it to find the right proxy.
+
+what worried me is that these proxy.pac things are dynamical depending on the ip of the sender AND the receive.
+It work nicely with web browser, but not with the unix http_proxy and HTTPS_PROXY env.
+
+nevertheless, I can create something to parse my local setup and extract the right http_proxy.
+
+Is there something available in Propellor to set a global environment variable in /etc/environment (the right place for this ?)
+
+cheers
+
+Frederic
+
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_3_bd76d169af2ef2f154ad1f0f64506661._comment b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_3_bd76d169af2ef2f154ad1f0f64506661._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-11-25T19:37:46Z"
+ content="""
+There's no Property that handles setting global environment currently, but
+it's a reasonable one to add.
+
+I think that /etc/environment is read by `pam_env` logins, but maybe not
+other things, so dunno.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_4_a6a49d35ee8a05abc982049b55d0397c._comment b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_4_a6a49d35ee8a05abc982049b55d0397c._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="picca"
+ subject="comment 4"
+ date="2014-11-25T20:01:12Z"
+ content="""
+I saw that there is an haskell binding for augeas.
+
+Maybe this could be a nice uniform interface to deal with all the system configuration files.
+then no need to deal with the config file formats.
+
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_5_7783b8a96c8032a39ff3b5b446a976ed._comment b/doc/forum/how_to_set_the_proxy_using_an_automatix_proxy.pac/comment_5_7783b8a96c8032a39ff3b5b446a976ed._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,7 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="gueux"
+ subject="comment 5"
+ date="2014-11-27T08:17:36Z"
+ content="""
+Just looked at augeas, and add it to propellor would be great. Much more robust than Propellor.Property.File.{containsLine,containsLines,lacksLine}, at least.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/modify_managed_host_propellor__39__s_.git__47__config.mdwn b/doc/forum/modify_managed_host_propellor__39__s_.git__47__config.mdwn
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+How can I modify the configuration of a managed host (which seems to be stored in /usr/local/propellor/.git/config) from the host on which I run propellor?
diff --git a/doc/forum/modify_managed_host_propellor__39__s_.git__47__config/comment_1_da3ebb4736a1f1012b6d27bcd33ff44f._comment b/doc/forum/modify_managed_host_propellor__39__s_.git__47__config/comment_1_da3ebb4736a1f1012b6d27bcd33ff44f._comment
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@@ -0,0 +1,10 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-10-31T14:40:33Z"
+ content="""
+I'm curious what you need to configure there..
+
+But, there seems to be a simple solution: Add a Property that configures
+the .git/config however you need to! :)
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__.mdwn b/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__.mdwn
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+Is there a way to use propellor with no central repository?
diff --git a/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_1_6a2a5068962b17dac08609cd65887f48._comment b/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_1_6a2a5068962b17dac08609cd65887f48._comment
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+++ b/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_1_6a2a5068962b17dac08609cd65887f48._comment
@@ -0,0 +1,7 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-10-31T14:39:48Z"
+ content="""
+Not yet, but see [[todo/git_push_over_propellor_ssh_channel]]
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_2_0f035bb4bb5cc13574394505f28abe5e._comment b/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_2_0f035bb4bb5cc13574394505f28abe5e._comment
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..6a6aa946
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+++ b/doc/forum/propellor_with_no_central_repository__63__/comment_2_0f035bb4bb5cc13574394505f28abe5e._comment
@@ -0,0 +1,9 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""yay!"""
+ date="2014-11-19T01:31:14Z"
+ content="""
+propellor now supports this mode by default, just use `propellor --spin
+hostname` and the changes in the local repo will be pushed and deployed to
+the host, w/o needing a centralized git repo.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering.mdwn b/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering.mdwn
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..25549bb4
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+++ b/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering.mdwn
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+when I write
+
+ setDistribution cfg = f `File.hasContent` cfg
+ `onChange` update
+ `requires` File.dirExists confDir
+
+is update called before ensuring the confiDir Exist ?
+It seems to me but who knows ?
diff --git a/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering/comment_1_0ea2186b5cfa7eadaf38ac2e97fc4a2c._comment b/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering/comment_1_0ea2186b5cfa7eadaf38ac2e97fc4a2c._comment
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c41abd90
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/forum/property_combinator_ordering/comment_1_0ea2186b5cfa7eadaf38ac2e97fc4a2c._comment
@@ -0,0 +1,31 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2014-12-01T15:53:11Z"
+ content="""
+I think that should behave intuitively, but of course if you're unsure
+of this kind of thing, adding parens is a good way to disambiguate the
+code.
+
+ (f `File.hasContent` cfg `onChange` update)
+ `requires` File.dirExists confDir
+
+Written that way, it's explicit that the parenthesized part runs
+together as one action.
+
+Or, we can do a quick test in ghci:
+
+ joey@darkstar:~/src/propellor/src#joeyconfig>ghci Propellor.hs Propellor/Property.hs
+ *Propellor> let f1 = property "hasContent" (liftIO (print "f1") >> return MadeChange)
+ *Propellor> let f2 = property "update" (liftIO (print "f2") >> return MadeChange)
+ *Propellor> let f3 = property "dirExists" (liftIO (print "f3") >> return MadeChange)
+ *Propellor> runPropellor (Host "foo" [] mempty) $ ensureProperty $ f1 `onChange` f2 `requires` f3
+ "dirExists"
+ "hasContent"
+ "update"
+ MadeChange
+
+So, yes, it's behaving as it should, first ensuring that the `requires`
+property is met, and then running the main property, and since it made a
+change, following up by running the `onChange` property.
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine.mdwn b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine.mdwn
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..1fde595c
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+++ b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine.mdwn
@@ -0,0 +1,290 @@
+I'm trying to get propellor running, and for now, I'd prefer
+to not use a central git repo, according to what I have read
+
+```
+ propellor --spin host
+```
+
+should do just that: not use git.
+
+So I have cabal installed propellor locally, and
+in addition cloned
+
+```
+ git clone git://propellor.branchable.com/ .propellor
+```
+
+in my $HOME
+
+My local machine (from where I run propellor) runs debian testing, the
+machine I want to spin to: softland, debian unstable+experimental,
+ie. unstable in general + all things ghc from experimental, to get ghc
+7.8.4 (but not any more than that from experimental).
+
+was not sure, what the right propellor config would be in that case:
+
+```
+& os (System (Debian Experimental) "amd64")
+```
+which I have used, or
+
+```
+ & os (System (Debian Unstable) "amd64")
+```
+because in general I want Unstable
+
+
+First thing I notice, when running
+
+
+```
+$ propellor --spin softland
+```
+
+propellor nevertheless tries to git push (but fails, obviously,
+somewhere down in propellors output):
+
+```
+...
+Building propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing library propellor-2.2.1...
+In-place registering propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing executable 'propellor' for propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing executable 'propellor-config' for propellor-2.2.1...
+Propellor build ... done
+[master 8ca2715] propellor spin
+Git commit ... done
+Counting objects: 10, done.
+Delta compression using up to 2 threads.
+Compressing objects: 100% (8/8), done.
+Writing objects: 100% (10/10), 913 bytes | 0 bytes/s, done.
+Total 10 (delta 6), reused 0 (delta 0)
+remote: you are not allowed to change config.hs
+To git://propellor.branchable.com/
+ ! [remote rejected] master -> master (pre-receive hook declined)
+error: failed to push some refs to 'git://propellor.branchable.com/'
+Push to central git repository ... failed
+Stop listening request sent.
+Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid InRelease
+Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental InRelease
+Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
+...
+```
+
+Note in particular the lines:
+
+```
+ To git://propellor.branchable.com/
+ ! [remote rejected] master -> master (pre-receive hook declined)
+ error: failed to push some refs to 'git://propellor.branchable.com/'
+ Push to central git repository ... failed
+```
+
+Shouldn't propellor be completely quiet about git /
+not try to push at all?
+
+OK, never mind, let's see what's next: some long
+output, propellor finally fails, I assume it's because
+of my sid+experimental configuration?
+
+
+```
+Stop listening request sent.
+Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid InRelease
+Hit http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental InRelease
+Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
+Get:2 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/contrib amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:3 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/non-free amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:4 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/contrib Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:5 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,876 B]
+Get:6 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/non-free Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:7 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/main Sources [7,633 kB]
+Get:8 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/contrib Sources [57.1 kB]
+Get:9 http://ftp.uk.debian.org sid/non-free Sources [105 kB]
+Get:10 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/main Sources/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:11 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/contrib Sources/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:12 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/non-free Sources/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:13 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:14 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/contrib amd64 Packages/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:15 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/contrib Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Get:16 http://ftp.uk.debian.org experimental/main Translation-en/DiffIndex [7,819 B]
+Fetched 7,897 kB in 6s (1,169 kB/s)
+Reading package lists...
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping gnupg, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping ghc, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping cabal-install, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping libghc-async-dev, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
+requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
+distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
+or been moved out of Incoming.
+The following information may help to resolve the situation:
+The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+ libghc-missingh-dev : Depends: libghc-hunit-dev-1.2.5.2-6e02e
+ Depends: libghc-array-dev-0.4.0.1-3b784
+ Depends: libghc-base-dev-4.6.0.1-8aa5d
+ Depends: libghc-containers-dev-0.5.0.0-ab1da
+ Depends: libghc-directory-dev-1.2.0.1-91a78
+ Depends: libghc-filepath-dev-1.3.0.1-b12cb
+ Depends: libghc-hslogger-dev-1.2.1-028cc
+ Depends: libghc-mtl-dev-2.1.2-94c72
+ Depends: libghc-network-dev-2.4.1.2-040ce
+ Depends: libghc-old-locale-dev-1.0.0.5-6729c
+ Depends: libghc-old-time-dev-1.1.0.1-2f8ea
+ Depends: libghc-parsec-dev-3.1.3-6c6e2
+ Depends: libghc-process-dev-1.1.0.2-76e05
+ Depends: libghc-random-dev-1.0.1.1-43fdc
+ Depends: libghc-regex-compat-dev-0.95.1-121c7
+ Depends: libghc-time-dev-1.4.0.1-10dc4
+ Depends: libghc-unix-dev-2.6.0.1-4f219
+E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
+requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
+distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
+or been moved out of Incoming.
+The following information may help to resolve the situation:
+The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+ libghc-hslogger-dev : Depends: libghc-base-dev-4.6.0.1-8aa5d
+ Depends: libghc-containers-dev-0.5.0.0-ab1da
+ Depends: libghc-directory-dev-1.2.0.1-91a78
+ Depends: libghc-mtl-dev-2.1.2-94c72
+ Depends: libghc-network-dev-2.4.1.2-040ce
+ Depends: libghc-old-locale-dev-1.0.0.5-6729c
+ Depends: libghc-process-dev-1.1.0.2-76e05
+ Depends: libghc-time-dev-1.4.0.1-10dc4
+ Depends: libghc-unix-dev-2.6.0.1-4f219
+E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
+requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
+distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
+or been moved out of Incoming.
+The following information may help to resolve the situation:
+The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+ libghc-unix-compat-dev : Depends: libghc-base-dev-4.6.0.1-8aa5d
+ Depends: libghc-unix-dev-2.6.0.1-4f219
+E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping libghc-ansi-terminal-dev, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
+requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
+distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
+or been moved out of Incoming.
+The following information may help to resolve the situation:
+The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+ libghc-ifelse-dev : Depends: libghc-base-dev-4.6.0.1-8aa5d
+E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping libghc-network-dev, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping libghc-quickcheck2-dev, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Skipping libghc-mtl-dev, it is already installed and upgrade is not set.
+0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
+Reading package lists...
+Building dependency tree...
+Reading state information...
+Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
+requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
+distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
+or been moved out of Incoming.
+The following information may help to resolve the situation:
+The following packages have unmet dependencies:
+ libghc-monadcatchio-transformers-dev : Depends: libghc-base-dev-4.6.0.1-8aa5d
+ Depends: libghc-extensible-exceptions-dev-0.1.1.4-255a3
+ Depends: libghc-monads-tf-dev-0.1.0.2-731f0
+ Depends: libghc-transformers-dev-0.3.0.0-ff2bb
+E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
+Downloading the latest package list from hackage.haskell.org
+Skipping download: Local and remote files match.
+Resolving dependencies...
+All the requested packages are already installed:
+Use --reinstall if you want to reinstall anyway.
+Resolving dependencies...
+Configuring propellor-2.2.1...
+Building propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing library propellor-2.2.1...
+In-place registering propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing executable 'propellor' for propellor-2.2.1...
+Preprocessing excaecutable 'propellor-bal: can't find source for configconf in src
+ig' for propellor-2.2.1...
+propellor: user error (ssh ["-o","ControlPath=/home/rx/.ssh/propellor/softland.sock","-o","ControlMaster=auto","-o","ControlPersist=yes","root@softland","sh -c 'if [ ! -d /usr/local/propellor/.git ] ; then (if ! git --version >/dev/null; then apt-get update && apt-get --no-install-recommends --no-upgrade -y install git; fi && echo STATUSNeedGitClone) || echo STATUSNeedPrecompiled ; else cd /usr/local/propellor && if ! test -x ./propellor; then ( apt-get update ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install gnupg ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install ghc ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install cabal-install ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-async-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-missingh-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-hslogger-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-unix-compat-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-ansi-terminal-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-ifelse-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-network-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-quickcheck2-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-mtl-dev ; apt-get --no-upgrade --no-install-recommends -y install libghc-monadcatchio-transformers-dev ; cabal update ; cabal install --only-dependencies ) || true && cabal configure && cabal build && ln -sf dist/build/propellor-config/propellor-config propellor; fi && ./propellor --boot softland ; fi'"] exited 1)
+rx@varenne ~/work/propellor $
+```
+
+I should add, that I have tried to --spin to another
+machine, and ... finally got that working:
+
+
+```
+ , host "laptop"
+ & os (System (Debian Testing) "amd64")
+```
+
+Not sure, if I need more than that, want to keep it to the
+minimum first, anyway:
+
+
+```
+ propellor --spin laptop
+```
+
+this works, yeah - sorry for the noise, above - but still I get
+
+
+```
+Git commit ... done
+To git://propellor.branchable.com/
+ ! [rejected] master -> master (fetch first)
+error: failed to push some refs to 'git://propellor.branchable.com/'
+hint: Updates were rejected because the remote contains work that you do
+hint: not have locally. This is usually caused by another repository pushing
+hint: to the same ref. You may want to first integrate the remote changes
+hint: (e.g., 'git pull ...') before pushing again.
+hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for details.
+Push to central git repository ... failed
+```
+
+Possible to turn off these git push attempts?
+
+
+Thanks,
+ Andreas
diff --git a/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_1_df7ac45d7e576e8d73a8665521dbd6e0._comment b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_1_df7ac45d7e576e8d73a8665521dbd6e0._comment
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index 00000000..cfe1750a
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_1_df7ac45d7e576e8d73a8665521dbd6e0._comment
@@ -0,0 +1,29 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawm-czsfuWENKQ0GI8l0gnGTeF1JEli1mA0"
+ nickname="Andreas"
+ subject="finally got it working"
+ date="2015-03-27T05:15:26Z"
+ content="""
+can spin to softland, my sid+experimental host now.
+
+with recent git://propellor.branchable.com/ updates
+and have used:
+
+```
+ & os (System (Debian Experimental) \"amd64\")
+```
+
+so sorry for the noise, still not sure about:
+
+* how to express my installation properly:
+ mostly unstable, ghc stuff from experimental
+
+* how to turn off the git push to branchable attempts
+ when just spinning to one of my mashines:
+ have set now:
+ ```
+ git branch --unset-upstream
+ ```
+ which shortcuts these attempts at least.
+
+"""]]
diff --git a/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_2_8600d257d92f786f2fcf0d4934f727d5._comment b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_2_8600d257d92f786f2fcf0d4934f727d5._comment
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..51c3fc53
--- /dev/null
+++ b/doc/forum/trying_to_--spin_to_a_sid+experimental_machine/comment_2_8600d257d92f786f2fcf0d4934f727d5._comment
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 2"""
+ date="2015-03-30T23:22:17Z"
+ content="""
+Pushing to origin is needed when using propellor in the central git
+repository deployment mode. So it makes sense for --spin to try to push.
+If that push fails for some reason, it's not a fatal error, since propellor
+--spin also does peer-to-peer pushes.
+
+I don't think I want to get into trying to determine if a particular origin
+repo url is read-only or read-write. It can be hard to tell with eg
+a https url.
+
+Why don't you just `git remote rename origin upstream`? If the remote
+is not called origin, propellor will ignore it.
+"""]]