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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 1"""
+ date="2019-11-21T14:57:57Z"
+ content="""
+I use both. To be fully described by the propellor configuration, it would
+need to pin the system to a specific version of every package installed on
+it, and that's generally not practical because there are new security
+updates all the time. It's useful to have etckeeper keeping track of
+changes made to configuration during upgrades.
+
+I do find etckeeper generally less useful on those type of systems, but it
+still more than pays for itself.
+"""]]
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="joey"
+ subject="""comment 2"""
+ date="2019-11-21T15:16:36Z"
+ content="""
+Also, when the propellor configuration is changed, it's very useful to have
+a record of how that change affected the host. While etckeeper's record is
+limited to /etc, that does cover a large percentage of such changes.
+"""]]
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+[[!comment format=mdwn
+ username="eugen"
+ avatar="http://cdn.libravatar.org/avatar/7e7e5700d7017735fd00c2dfcd3f91e4"
+ subject="comment 3"
+ date="2019-11-21T20:29:20Z"
+ content="""
+Indeed, I can see how etckeeper provides a very easy way to check exactly what has changed to /etc (also) after a propellor spin. When I'm manually editing an /etc file I know what the changes are, but not so when a tool does it for me. So, it's important to verify, for example, that propellor did indeed what I *thought* I told it to do (not sure if propellor has an option to report the /etc changes it did).
+
+By using both etckeeper and propellor, which one do you consider to have the authoritative status (power?) over /etc? Do you still manually edit /etc files?
+"""]]